
Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
HR as a leadership function - with John Scott
Lawrie Philpott of Philpott Black and host of Leadership Listening chats to John Scott, about Human Resource Management - a fundamental success factor of any organisation that is so often left out of the boardroom.
John is a CEDR-accredited mediator with over 30 years' experience in and around HR and significant experience in investigations and resolving disputes including employment, company founders, partnerships and shareholders.
Together they talk about a range of topics, including the HR function in an organisation, the right to be well led, HR in the public sector, HR as a consulting function, HR as a business advisor function, what happens when HR doesn't have a seat at the top table or in the c-suite, people at the heart of almost all organisations, power and influence, HR and line management, having difficult conversations, leadership and taking accountability, HR being treated as a secret garden, the relationship between CEOs and HR directors, working in and on the business, AI, the value of having independent or external HR advisors, teamwork, collaboration, the HR role - expert / advisor / coach / mentor, the CIPD, real world HR skills, public and private sector HR failures, the prison sector, and HR in the future.
For more information about John's book “To The Woods: A Journey Along The Appalachian Trail” take a look at https://amzn.eu/d/7PiTUMR
00:00 Intro
03:32 Why do HR?
06:19 The evolution of HR functions or approaches
11:12 What happens when HR doesn't have a seat at the top table or in the c-suite
13:56 People at the heart of an organisation
15:19 Power and influence
17:18 HR and line management - a support function?
18:49 Having difficult conversations
19:40 Taking accountability
22:06 HR disconnected - the secret garden
24:14 Joining up the HR function across an organisation
25:44 The relationship between the CEO and the HR director
27:13 Working in and on the business
32:48 The impact of AI
36:44 The value of having independent or external HR advisors
38:40 The relationship between the CEO and the HR director
43:03 Teamwork in the c-suite - honest conversations
45:20 The HR role - expert / advisor / coach / mentor
50:36 Is the CIPD still relevant?
53:16 Real world HR skills
55:27 Public and private sector HR failures
01:00:43 HR in the future
01:01:43 3 final questions
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